Maybe thats not a flip flop though, maybe thats just a lie.

"Extremism in the defence of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue." AuH20

Um, I think they're still trying to work it out.

"And I've labored to turn my eyes from his career-long opportunism, the knowledge that Bay State political junkies trade their favorite Kerry flip-flops like baseball cards. Bush is already having fun with Kerry's zigzags of the past three years alone: Kerry voted for so many of Bush's major initiatives that in order to disown them now he can only argue that they were wrongly or dishonestly "implemented." This amounts to a confession that his opponent made a chump of him for the past three years. In fact, one might argue that Kerry is a poster boy for all the ways in which congressional Democrats have allowed themselves to be rolled by the Bush administration."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A37038-2004Mar6.html?nav=headlines

The entire column is brutal.  It reads like it could have been written by Bush's campaign.  One can only imagine what the Bush commericials will look like.

http://www.comedycentral.com/tv_shows/thedailyshowwithjonstewart/videos_corr.jhtml?startIndex=13& ;p=stewart

Ralph Nader is in bed with a fascist anti-semitic cult leader.

Afterward, he was against Arsenic limits in drinking water - but then he was for them after he got called on it.

"Extremism in the defence of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue." AuH20

On Kerry's stand(s) on the Gulf & Iraq Wars:

"But surely it's a coincidence that all of his war-related votes, going back to his vote against Bush pere's 1991 resolution for the Persian Gulf War, found him on the side of short-term political expedience?"

On Kerry 's stand(s) on gay marriage:
"To watch Kerry floundering in the impossible contradictions of this issue is to see starkly how little he is guided by core principle."

For $10b in AIDS funding in Africa, then no $

For his office's own rosy employment projections, then against "not a statistician"

For inital lower projection of Medicare's costs, then against

For not allowing the U.N. to be involved in Iraq, then after screwing it up, anxious to have the U.N. take over...

For smaller government, now against...

Jae

President Bush is for keeping troops in Iraq, Afghanistan, and now Haiti until the governments are up and running.

I just received the following email:

There's a poll on the lower right hand side of today's Fox News
website that allows you to express your opinion on the Chimp's
wretched exploitation of the victims of the WTC attack. Right now the
results are favorable to Bush.  Let's turn it around and give Fox one
less brick in their propaganda construction project.

Let 'em know where YOU stand!

http://www.foxnews.com

and then of course the biggies in Iraq, like
Iraq has WMDs to

Iraq has WMD programs to

Iraq was interested in a WMD program.

Bush was against amnesty for illegal aliens. Now he's for it.

Bush was against Presidents doing an end run around Congress to pack the courts. Then he did it.

Bush gave million dollar Iraq contracts to Halliburton without making sure they wouldn't overcharge us. Now he's investigating them for overcharging.

Bush told people global warming isn't a threat. Now his Defense Dept says it can end civilization in 25 years.

Bush promised to end the tax cuts after a few years. Then he made them permanent.

Bush said we shouldn't fight two wars at once. Then he sent troops to Haiti while Americans are dying in Iraq.

Bush was for the rebels in Haiti trying to bring down Aristide. Now he's fighting the rebels.

Bush was for pretzels/Segways/Spot. Now, he's against them.

Bush was for the sanctity of life, then he allowed mad scientists to dismember helpless pre-born babies in his fetal stem cell research decision.

Pick a side Mr. Bush; either you think fetal stem cell research is an abomination or you don't.

Used to have the goodwill of the world on his side. Now has 80% of world's population wanting to put foot in his ass.

Used to be more of a bad joke. Now is more of a bad dream.

Either that, or mass hypnosis: You are getting sleepy, very sleepy. George "Hero of 9/11" Bush has always been presnit -- you should make him preznit for life; or at least until Jebby is ready to take over.

It's downright mean to remind voters of all this stuff that Karl wants them to forget.

Bush is in favor of tax cuts because the economy is strong, then he's in favor of tax cuts because the economy is weak.

Bush is in favor of tax cuts because they'll help the economy recover, then he's in favor of tax cuts because they haven't helped the economy recover yet.

Bush is in favor of invading Iraq because they have WMDs, then he's in favor of invading Iraq because they don't have WMDs (but Saddam is a bad person).

We could go to free trade, too. I think that Commondreams has a whole list of these flops.

1. I don't remember the exact numbers on this, but the proposed spending increase for AIDS relief in Africa was touted as an example of compassionate conservativism.  And then, after the publicity, most, if not all, of the increase was taken away.
2. And for a flip-flop waiting to hit the press: how about Bush's (supposed) insistence on getting to the bottom of the CIA operative leak?

Speech:
http://www.post-gazette.com/localnews/20020806bushtextp9.asp

Comments:
http://www.inthesetimes.com/issue/26/21/news3.shtml

"There are only two seasons - winter and baseball." -Bill Veeck

He needs to use images of the WTC in his campaign ads? Fine. But then somone needs to speak the truth about his "leadership" that day.

The "leadership" he displayed that day was dispiriting to an entire nation. If Giuliani wanted to use images like that in a campaign ad, you'd almost have to let him. He was a true and inspiring leader. Bush was a frightened, incompetent coward. Exactly the opposite of what he seeks to portray himself as.

This discussion has got me thinking that Nader may yet play a useful role in this race. He alone will be able to go after Bush full-throttle on issues like this that Kerry will only gingerly approach, if not avoid like the third rail.

Kerry Cabinetmaker: vote for the shadow cabinet week by week until the convention.

President Bush's practices an arrogant, stubborn foreign policy that can be summed up as:  "Full speed ahead, damn the facts."

President Bush: Times of change, instead of leadership.

A competent well meaning President can afford to accept blame sometimes because they have already proven themselves. Bush and his mouthpieces know he is a house of cards and have to intimidate critics or risk collapse. We need to frame this as the moral weakness of a spoiled shirker.

The big picture is an ideology that he and his cronies truly believe they are the natural aristocracy and deserve to be above the law. I would go to prison if I gave you mercury poisoning, his cronies get tax breaks.  The tax breaks, pollution loop holes, worker safety waivers, consumer fraud are crimes for one America but for the other America,  crime pays.

We need a list of:
Go to prison if I do it vs. Rewarded when Bush crony does it.

By MIKE GLOVER, Associated Press Writer

JACKSON, Miss. - John Kerry (news - web sites) on Sunday accused President Bush (news - web sites) of "stonewalling" separate inquiries into the events leading up to the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorists attacks, as well as into the intelligence that suggested Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) was hiding weapons of mass destruction in Iraq (news - web sites).

Kerry, the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee, parried complaints by members of a federal commission investigating the attacks that Bush was resisting their efforts to get documents and question witnesses.

"Why is this administration stonewalling and resisting the investigation into what happened and why we had the greatest security failure in the history of our country?" Kerry said at a hastily arranged news conference.

"The American people deserve an answer now," Kerry said. "The immediate instinct of the Republicans and this administration was to shut it down."

Telephone calls for comment from the Bush-Cheney re-election campaign were not immediately returned.

Bush has made clear that he will use his leadership after the attacks in arguing his case for a second term. He began running campaign commercials last week that include images of the destruction at the World Trade Center.

Kerry, who is moving to challenge Bush on that front, said the public deserves an answer as soon as possible about what went wrong leading up to the attacks, which killed nearly 3,000 people in New York, Washington and Pennsylvania.

"Nothing could be more important to the American people at this moment," he said. "They need to know why we had such a failure of intelligence."

He also argued that Bush has pushed a report on potential intelligence failures back until 2005, "which just happens coincidentally to not be an election year."

Last month, Bush named a commission to "figure out why" inspectors haven't found the weapons that intelligence experts said Saddam was hiding in Iraq. He told the panel to report back by the end of March 2005.

By blocking access to information needed for one investigation and delaying the results of another, Kerry said Bush was trying to cover for political purposes any potential failures by his administration.

"They want to get it out of the way as fast as they can so the memory of Americans might be shorter," said Kerry.

At the news conference, Kerry also said he had spoken and planned to meet with vanquished presidential rivals John Edwards (news - web sites) and Howard Dean (news - web sites). Aides said they anticipated arranging a session with Dean this week, likely in Washington.

"I look forward to meeting with him," Kerry said. "We're going to discuss winning the presidency of the United States."

The meeting is potentially important because the former Vermont governor built a large fund-raising network on the Internet, and his list of potential donors could be very valuable as Kerry seeks to match Bush's fund-raising prowess.

In addition, Kerry said he will ask advisers and allies to travel to Iraq to prepare an independent assessment of the situation there. Kerry said he hadn't ruled out going himself, but "that's not on the front burner."

"I don't want any sense of politicization in that regard," said Kerry.

Kerry spoke during a four-day campaign swing through the South, and compared his campaign struggles to those of the civil rights movement on an important anniversary.

At a predominantly black church, he told supporters to brace for a wave of criticism from Bush's well-funded re-election campaign, much as civil rights marchers fought against entrenched opposition.

Kerry spoke on the 39th anniversary of the "Bloody Sunday" clash in Selma, Ala., when state troopers used tear gas and billy clubs against activists marching over the Edmund Pettus Bridge. Scenes from that episode galvanized the civil rights movement and within five months the Voting Rights Act of 1965 was passed.


if ron reagan dyed his hair, and i'm not sayin' he did, it was only to show his strength to the communists - hank hill

Bush is a liar.  He doesn't flip-flop.  He lies.  This should be the rebuttal to the Kerry flip-flop claims.  

So you want to be a science teacher...

Only a monarchist would buy the argument laid out 25 years ago by Nixon in his conversation with David Frost:

NIXON: Well, when the president does it that means that it is not illegal.

FROST: By definition.

NIXON: Exactly. Exactly. ...

Well, that's Republican, or Monarchical, ethics in a nutshell.

The same principle holds for epistemology as well.

While the Monarch can be misinformed by corrupt, incompetent or venal ministers, and the King-as-man, acting in his Own Person, can make mistakes, the King-in-His-Majesty can do no wrong.

If the King-in-His-Majesty says something that is contradicted by the facts, either the contradiction is only an apparent one, or the facts are in error.

In this view of the world, the President cannot contradict himself -- he changes the reality each time he speaks. And so, when he answers the questions of the 9/11 commission, what he says happens becomes what happened, rather than what actually occurred.

This is why it is irrelevant whether he is under oath when he answers questions put to him by the Kean commission.

A King cannot commit perjury.

It is an easy step from accepting an epistemology based on "The Bible Said It -- I Believe It -- That Settles It" to one based on "The King Said It -- I Believe It -- That Settles It".

One instrument for the revelation of the Divine Will is easily subsitituted for another.

Karl Rove may talk Mark Hanna, but he plays Bossuet.

Patria est ubicumque bene. "Their 'Homeland' is wherever they can turn a buck." Cicero, Tusculan Disputations.

In the most recent State of the Union, Bush said we had found "weapons of mass destruction program related activities."

Katie4Edwards

He gives a tax cut, because there's a surplus and it's "our money," then the tax cut is necessary for economic stimulus.

Also, during the 2000 campaign, he claimed as governor of Texas he passed a Patient's Bill of Rights.  It passed, over Bush's veto!

Against sending Americans to hinder a gang of convicted murderers from overthrowing the elected government in Haiti.

For sending Americans to physically remove the elected president from Haiti in favor of convicted murderers.  

For the removal of the elected president of Venezuela.

But he's against democratically elected leaders of Haiti and Venezuela.

WTF?

data - seasonally adjusted unemployment
http://data.bls.gov/servlet/SurveyOutputServlet?request_action=wh&graph_name=LN_cpsbref3  

if ron reagan dyed his hair, and i'm not sayin' he did, it was only to show his strength to the communists - hank hill

Where? I don't know. Maybe info@johnkerry.com
Make sure you send it somewhere where an actual person has to read it.

Sorry, couldn't resist, they're cheap and really comfortable (just got back from vacation in Rio).  Carry on.

So the adjusted argument about Bush is that he's disastrously unable to change his mind, unless Karl Rove tells him that it's politically beneficial for him to do so.

In any case, as I argue here, I don't think you counter the idea that Kerry is a "flip-flopper" by pointing at Bush at saying "Him too."  Instead you say something like "Bush can't be trusted," which carries the same underlying idea but doesn't look like a reaction and avoids reminded people of the charge made against Kerry.

unfutz

Bush for filing lawsuits over the election (his own)

Bush against filing lawsuits over the election (Gore's)

The republicans are so used to hearing an Amen chorus from the Congress & the media, they're not going to know what hit them.

also, is for committing us to rebuilding afghanistan then doesn't budget any money for anything relating to it in the budget last year.  a similar thing happened this year - i thought to iraq, but it might have been something else.

Jonathan
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Rant du Jour

Well done, TK, Kos, and gang.

Dissento's Culture War Journal

In a similar vein, while sending off the troops in a pre-war photo op, he was cutting the extra education funding for the school districts that had to educate the children of those servicepeople.

then he says he's fully complied with national guard records release, but he hasn't.
and he keeps flipflopping on 9/11 commission still...UNPRECEDENTED ACCESS...damn that doublespeak.

now only if i could that other list of flipflops..
http://www.house.gov/appropriations_democrats/caughtonfilm.htm

Yet: running some of the largest budgetary deficits (thanks to the tax cuts) ever.